IPFire additional storage option vs. some other box ??

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IPFire additional storage option vs. some other box ??

Post by smallhagrid » January 23rd, 2013, 10:26 pm

I need to think seriously about backing up our family's rather old shared 'server' PC.
It is a totally reliable, but old win2k pro box that I am not in any hurry to replace.

Our IPFire system is also wonderful and reliable.

I am considering some options for dependably storing what will be backed up:
1. Adding a 2nd HDD to the IPFire system and sharing it via Samba.
2. EON ZFS ( https://sites.google.com/site/eonstorage/ )
3. ZFSguru ( http://zfsguru.com/ )
4. NAS4Free ( http://www.nas4free.org/general_information.html )
5. OpenIndiana & Napp-it ( http://openindiana.org/ http://www.napp-it.org/index_en.html  )

Does anyone here have any pros/cons to share about any of these options ?!?
I will greatly appreciate any education I can get.

Thank you.

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Post by copymaster » January 24th, 2013, 4:45 am

Hi!

It is a very good choice to take at zfs systems!
From your list i would say, don't take ZFSguru!

I use myself a Nexenta System (free version is openindiana) And it works great! But it needs much RAM and a Lot of Disks (System gets faster with every disk)) to be a performant system.

I think EON ZFS and NAS4Free seem to be a good choice, but i don't know them.

Also i will try them out, i need a ZFS system to replicate my nexenta, and was looking for similar software, thanks for that.

Be careful, if you need to have NTFS permissions!

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Post by smallhagrid » January 24th, 2013, 5:17 am

I thank you.
This is a very good start, I think:
It is a very good choice to take at zfs systems!


OK:
From your list i would say, don't take ZFSguru!


So #3 is out.

Too demanding for me:
I use myself a Nexenta System (free version is openindiana) And it works great! But it needs much RAM and a Lot of Disks (System gets faster with every disk)) to be a performant system.


So then it seems #5 is also out.

OK:
I think EON ZFS and NAS4Free seem to be a good choice, but i don't know them.
Also i will try them out, i need a ZFS system to replicate my nexenta, and was looking for similar software, thanks for that.
Be careful, if you need to have NTFS permissions!


Glad if my looking into this has also helped you a little !!!
Since there is only a workgroup and no fancy permissions, I think it should not be any problem with the NTFS stuff.

So, just 1 (2 please see edit below) & 4 remain for me to consider:
1. Adding a 2nd HDD to the IPFire system and sharing it via Samba.
2. EON ZFS ( https://sites.google.com/site/eonstorage/ )
3. ZFSguru ( http://zfsguru.com/ )
4. NAS4Free ( http://www.nas4free.org/general_information.html )
5. OpenIndiana & Napp-it ( http://openindiana.org/ http://www.napp-it.org/index_en.html  )

Edit/addition:
I looked a bit harder at what is posted at the sites and saw some things I had missed before...

NAS4Free=>
NAS4Free can be installed on an extremely wide range of hardware. Anything from an actual server to an old repurposed computer you may have laying around.


VS:

EON ZFS=>
Hardware Requirements:
    * 32/64-bit x86 processor (64-bit preferred)
    * 1GB RAM minimum, 2GB good, 4GB+ better performance
    * 2 or more identical size disks for RAID-0, RAID-1. 3 identical size disks minimum for RAID-Z.4 identical size disks minimum for double parity or RAID-Z2. RAID-Z3


So (for me) it is really just between #1 & #4 now.

Does anyone else know about these in comparison ?!?

Thanks.
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Post by Arne.F » January 24th, 2013, 8:29 am

I use a second IPFire (green only http://wiki.ipfire.org/en/installation/linktypes ) with samba shares for this. Hardware is HP-Proliant Microserver with 4 HDD's, one for the system and 3 for the storage as a software raid-5. (mdadm addon)
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Post by andremorro » January 24th, 2013, 11:04 am

Hi there!

Hope it helps,

For my own personal use, I´ve choosed the same as Arne. F.
For my company, I choosed NAS4Free, it gives me more options and security, since that distro its made for it. (and yes, I do have IPFire running to!)

NAS4Free has become a very mature distro and excellent in lots of scenarios.

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Post by smallhagrid » January 25th, 2013, 2:41 am

Thanks Andremorro and Arne.F !!!

It looks like I really need to try out NAS4Free.
Another IPFire box is also a very neat idea which I'll consider.

This:
"NAS4Free has become a very mature distro and excellent in lots of scenarios.

Is very high praise indeed; impressive.

Thanks for such great replies folks !!!

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Post by andremorro » January 28th, 2013, 11:14 am

Let us know how you did it and if worked right. =)
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Post by WhyTea » January 28th, 2013, 11:38 am

Hi there

I'm using both systems for a long time now.
Both system are rock stable and performant.

Of course NAS4free has a lot of functions but if you only want to use samba IPFire is a really good choice and you may save some money because there is only one machine running 24/7.

My IPFire is my all in one server-system and I use my good old NAS4free only as Backup-server. I've wrote a script to wake it up over lan, do the daily backup and shut it down after it is completed.

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Post by sikkin » January 29th, 2013, 6:18 am

Arne.F wrote:I use a second IPFire (green only http://wiki.ipfire.org/en/installation/linktypes ) with samba shares for this.
What are the benefits of such an architecture?

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Post by axel2078 » January 30th, 2013, 4:14 am

I've never been a big fan of making a dedicated firewall also serve as a NAS, media server, streaming box, whatever. I have a separate system running Scientific Linux that serves as my NAS. I really like it. I used to use FreeNAS, but it was kind of slow and when they moved to the newer platform, it required more hardware than I wanted to allocate for it (ZFS). I'm happy with my Linux NAS.
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Post by smallhagrid » February 4th, 2013, 8:43 pm

May I ask why you've chosen Scientific Linux rather than FreeNAS or NAS4Free ?!?

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Post by andremorro » February 5th, 2013, 3:56 pm

Maybe he don´t like FreeBSD. Just joking around...

In any distro you can run a NAS Server or iSCSI or anything else,
my personal choice for NAS4Free was the same as axel2078 said,
the new version of FreeNAS has become impossible (for me) to use cuz' the required hardware do not fit in my wallet.

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IPFire additional storage option vs. some other box ??

Post by axel2078 » February 11th, 2013, 2:53 am

smallhagrid wrote:May I ask why you've chosen Scientific Linux rather than FreeNAS or NAS4Free ?!?


I used to use the legacy FreeNAS, but when FreeNAS moved to the newer platform, it required more resources than I wanted to dedicate. I also prefer Red Hat based Linux distros since it makes more sense to me and because I'm certified in it.
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