Raspberry Pi 4

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pontlrs
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Raspberry Pi 4

Post by pontlrs » June 24th, 2019, 10:11 am

The new raspberry pi 4 has been released today, a link to a review with some very nice benchmarks compared to at least older models.

Up to 4Gb LPDDR4–3200 SDRAM.
Gigabit Ethernet that doesn't share the lane with USB.
USB 3.0.
and so on.

Changed the SoC too.. Now using the quad-core A72 (ARMv8-A) running at 1.5GHz.
And a GPU upgrade too (obviously not as important if it would be used to run IPFire on...)

Update: The A72 is affected by the Spectre vulnerability. So, probably not a good idea for a router.

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Re: Raspberry Pi 4

Post by rodneyp » June 27th, 2019, 2:54 am

see https://wiki.ipfire.org/hardware/arm/start

It can be a daunting task for beginners to get IPFire installed and booting on any ARM board.

My preference is to use a discarded x86 laptop. It's possible to find same without Intel CPU. Power consumption will be higher than for an ARM board, but not overwhelming, in the scheme of things.

I've run most brands - ASUS, Acer, Dell, HP without a main battery for extended periods, with no ill effect

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Re: Raspberry Pi 4

Post by pontlrs » June 29th, 2019, 11:18 am

I'm not a beginner, and I used to run IPFire on an Raspberry Pi Model B+ back when I only had ADSL. Worked quite well.
Getting fiber I obviously had to upgrade the hardware, but considering the latest issues with intel hardware, I would prefer running IPFire on something not affected by a number of vulnerabilities.

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Re: Raspberry Pi 4

Post by Mentalic » July 1st, 2019, 2:39 pm

Another option is older HP compaq SFF box's off Ebay. Hundreds of these hit the market from corporate refresh cycles for less than the price of a Raspberry. I'm running AMD's that are only venerable to spectre 1 and 2 which are mitigated, much better than Intel's offerings.
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Re: Raspberry Pi 4

Post by rodneyp » July 2nd, 2019, 1:12 am

re-used SFF PC certainly look a good alternative.

I was an early adopter of RPi, buying a model B+ having only 256 MB RAM. It coped with my meagre 13 Mb/s Internet speed but was slow to respond and I doubt it could handle IPS, whereas my old AMD laptop does.

A seach of http://aliexpress.com for "mini PC" having "AMD CPU" produces a plethora of results for the same generic A6-1410 box, having 8 W power consumption. I've ordered one of these very compact PC to try. Am fairly confident it will run IPFire - if not it can be a summer workstation.

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Re: Raspberry Pi 4

Post by Mentalic » July 2nd, 2019, 1:44 am

Wow 8 watts is low power. Checked my HP 6005 SFF with a kil-a-watt meter, 56 watts. Guess that's not terribly efficient but not to bad about $4 a month to run here.
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Re: Raspberry Pi 4

Post by JonM » July 5th, 2019, 10:54 pm

FYI - the new Raspberry Pi 4B does not boot with:

ipfire-2.23.2gb-ext4.armv5tel-full-core134.img
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ipfire-2.23.2gb-ext4.aarch64-full-core134.img

Must wait until the IPFire devs do their magic!
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Re: Raspberry Pi 4

Post by Arne.F » July 6th, 2019, 1:49 am

First of all there is no working uboot yet and we dont have hardware...
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Re: Raspberry Pi 4

Post by JonM » July 6th, 2019, 5:17 am

instead of making a donation (which cannot be done today), can a RPI4B be shipped via Amazon Germany directly to you or another IPFire dev?

I'm not sure if this can be done where I order something from amazon.de direct to you. I am in the US.

https://www.amazon.de/Raspberry-RAS-4-P ... 07TD43PDZ/
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Re: Raspberry Pi 4

Post by Arne.F » July 6th, 2019, 7:53 am

We plan to buy it but we will wait for the 4GB Version to use it as builder later. Maybee also more then one to build 32 and 64bit on different machines. Currently i use a Odroid C2 as builder and the nightlys run at Amazon (but this machines are fast but expensive)
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Re: Raspberry Pi 4

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Re: Raspberry Pi 4

Post by rodneyp » July 15th, 2019, 5:26 am

The A6-1450 mini-PC I mentioned above arrived. As far as I can gather, it is manufactured by Sharedvi.com, although OEMed by many. 14 days delivery is quite acceptable, for my purpose.

It has Aptivo (AMI) UEFI and defaults to CMS enabled, although it boots devices in either mode.

Core 134 x86_64 installed on an internal 64 GB mSATA, from USB-CDROM, without issue. I've installed in UEFI mode.

It has limited hardware sensors - sda temp & CPU temp, both in high 30s Celsius, in winter here, but that is all I need.

I'm initially using a proven Pegasus USB-Ethernet adaptor. My VDSL link does not warrant the "V" so I won't bother quoting speeds. I don't use WiFi on my LAN - so did not order with WiFi adaptor.

It is vulnerable to Spectre Variant 4, whereas the first generation Athlon 64 it is replacing was not. see PNG attached
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